PVP Subtlety Rogue Guide WotLK 3.3.5a

Welcome to the Subtlety Rogue PVP guide for World of Warcraft Wrath of the Lich King 3.3.5a. In this guide, you will learn about playing a Subtlety Rogue in the arena or a battleground. The guide includes Talents, Glyphs, Gems, Enchantments, Add-ons, Gameplay & Skill rotation tips, Team setups.

Talents

This is a core build. Talents which are taken are a must-have. Green squares show viable talents, choose them depending on your play style. You will have to choose some of them to progress further in the talent tree.

Subtlety Rogue Pvp Wow 3.3.5a

Glyphs

Major Glyphs

Minor Glyphs

Gems

Gems are situational and depend on the build and equipment. They are used to reach the required stat caps.

Other sockets are filled with Red Gems.

If you’re using PvP gear – choose Armor Penetration, if PvE – choose Attack Power.

Enchants

Weapons

Gameplay & Rotations

For Main-hand – choose a dagger with 1.8 speed. Apply Wound Poison VII on the main weapon.

BiS main-hand daggers

For Off-hand – choose a dagger with 1.4 speed. Axes and fists with 1.5 are suitable for Orcs. Apply Crippling Poison on the off-hand weapon. Apply Mind-numbing Poison on the second off-hand weapon, if you have one (you should).

BiS off-hand weapons

Team Setups

Here is a list of preferable partners in the 2v2 and 3v3 arena.

2v2 Arena

  • Frost Mage
  • Shadow Priest
  • Balance Druid
  • Retribution Paladin

3v3 Arena

  • Frost Mage + Discipline Priest
  • Shadow Priest + Restoration Shaman
  • Affliction Warlock + Restoration Druid
  • Feral Druid + Discipline Priest

 

 

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pingvina7
pingvina7
1 year ago

What abovt professions using this build ?

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Gravitymint
Gravitymint
Reply to  pingvina7
8 months ago

Man asks a question and gets downvoted for it, shame…

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Lolo
Lolo
Reply to  pingvina7
3 months ago

Eng and jc ofc

asd
asd
Reply to  Lolo
1 month ago

Eng and Tailoring, Since Tailoring is giving 400 AP Enchant on Cloak :))

Warmane FTW
Warmane FTW
1 year ago

Nice new logo. Keep it up! Also, the WoW dropdown menu is behind the main navigation. z-index? 🙂

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Miestro
Miestro
1 year ago

how much is the ideal hit rate for sub rouge for PvP?

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Malphaz
Malphaz
Reply to  Miestro
1 year ago

5% – to hit with your abilities.
You will still miss normal attacks because of dual-wielding, but it’s ok

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Michael
Michael
1 year ago

What about the total resiliance rating? Is there a meaningfull value?

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Malphaz
Malphaz
Reply to  Michael
1 year ago

Hi!

There’s no correct answer to this question, but here’s how you can decide and experiment. Remember that more resilience = less damage output (assuming you have access to equally good level pve gear)

Take 1000 as a starting point. From there, check if you’re always the one to be focused. If yes, go for more.
If someone from your team is being killed first all the time (maybe he’s a high priority target), you can afford more gear with damage, hence less resilience.

Assuming we’re talking about a Subtlety spec, I would assume your team is taking the hit first.

For battlegrounds it’s really up to how you play and how much messy situations you get in to.

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Ontan
Ontan
1 year ago

Weird question but do you think it is okay to drop Deadliness? Does it really give that much damage?

Also, what about improved Evis?

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Malphaz
Malphaz
Reply to  Ontan
1 year ago

I think it’s fine to experiment. Effectiveness of Deadliness depends on which gear you have.
That being said, I wouldn’t replace it. You’d need to add points to other talents to continue further down the talent tree.

Improved Eviscerate isn’t worth it. The base damage of that skill is low and often you’ll use other finishers.

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mukoo
mukoo
1 year ago

how to bite a warr 😀 !!

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watachiro
watachiro
1 year ago

not here to hate but pretty weak guide :/

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Paradox
Paradox
11 months ago

I have an undead rogue on Subtil , what weapons should i put on ? one dagger and axe ? one dagger and a sword ? one dagger and mace ? 2 daggers ? ?

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Rnghero
Rnghero
Reply to  Paradox
11 months ago

MH slow dagger 1.8
off hand – any fast weapon 1.4 or 1.5, doesnt matter really

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Busyblazin
Busyblazin
Reply to  Paradox
10 months ago

For Off-hand – choose a dagger with 1.4 speed. Axes and fists with 1.5 are suitable for Orcs. Apply Crippling Poison on the off-hand weapon. Apply Mind-numbing Poison on the second off-hand weapon, if you have one (you should).

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Georgi Pavlov
Georgi Pavlov
1 month ago

what about the openner rotation?

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