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snickerwicket
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My friend and I disagree on fury warrior dps viability for raids. He's sending me links like this and I'm sending links I find that support my point.
Never having raided as a warrior, I'm not too sure. Anyone have any better sources?

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Topic starter Posted : 21/08/2019 9:24 am
Kolvacs
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Okay, so whoever wrote that article from the first link you posted HAS to be straight up trolling.

What the fuck am I even looking at?

Fury Warrior is pretty much among the top 3 best DPS specs for all of Vanilla, so don't worry about that lol.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 9:27 am
snickerwicket
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Thank you! I was looking at that list with combat rogue at the bottom just feeling like I was losing my mind

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Topic starter Posted : 21/08/2019 9:30 am
Lendryn
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Resto druid in S tier because of mobility and stealth LoL
Also Paladins are better tanks than Druids apparently. Sure.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 9:34 am
Kolvacs
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That website should honesty be embarrassed to host that article on it lol.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 9:37 am
Lendryn
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Sorry, I should have answered your question in OP snickerwicket.

You can find actual raid compositions and their performance here:
https://legacyplayers.com/Raids/

(spoiler: you'll be seeing lots of brown)

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Posted : 21/08/2019 9:39 am
Kall
 Kall
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you'll be seeing lots of brown

Holy shit you weren't kidding!

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Posted : 21/08/2019 10:14 am
Alexdacrazy
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That website should honesty be embarrassed to host that article on it lol.

Agreed. The person who wrote that article probably doesn't understand the slightest thing about World of Warcraft.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 10:21 am
Instinctz
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Thank you! I was looking at that list with combat rogue at the bottom just feeling like I was losing my mind

honestly in some ways i agree with rogues being at the bottom.
all rogues bring to a raid is dps.
that is it. we can't cc out of combat without risking death.
we have interrupt and some stuffs for the occasional add but our only real contribution fight to fight is dps.
and despite this, we get blown out of the water in dps by mages and warriors.
classes who
mage - bring food/water. provide post raid portals. arcane intellect and decurse.
warrior - can tank or dps. various shouts. sunder armor. etc

the best tool a raiding rogue has is our ability to practically ignore threat.
however this is largely mitigated because threat was so much less of a concern with 1.12 build.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 10:29 am
snickerwicket
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honestly in some ways i agree with rogues being at the bottom.

yea but they still wouldn't be the lowest, as much as I hate to say it, everyone says my precious enhancement shaman will never be a contender

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Topic starter Posted : 21/08/2019 10:41 am
Pippina
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> arms warrior
> viable

But who was debuff limit?

Mortal Strike builds are my favorite to play as a warrior, but you can't even use it in raids because you start pushing useful debuffs off bosses as soon as you start using it due to the originally 8 and then 16 debuff limit in the original game.

> fire mage

Wasn't just about everything fire resistant once you start raiding? I'm not familiar much with what happens after MC, do raid bosses stop being fire resistant in later raid content?

> shadow priests
> raiding

Again, not with a 16 slot debuff limit...

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Posted : 21/08/2019 10:46 am
Gensei
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One issue in clearing this up was that it was a mixed bag throughout vanilla. Warriors were always a tremendously powerful PvP class, and were initially just okay in PvE as dps, but dual wield fury was a really weak spec. People often went arms/MS or Slam spec with a 2h weapon. It later got buffs and talent updates, and by the end of vanilla, with better knowledge on itemization and the buffs, fury warrior dps was very strong.

An original WoW developer who was head of class balance said that if not for BC on the horizon, they would have nerfed warrior dps in a later 1.XX patch. Since we're inheriting the class balance as of 1.12, warrior dps is very strong. If you go to Wowhead's character planner, and only look at Phase 1 gear, you'll find that much of the gear that is best in slot pre-raid for fury warriors is already in the game, unlike is the case for most other classes, especially casters. Warriors are going to be top notch dps for the entirety of Classic.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 10:47 am
Pluuf
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Lol, that guy must either be talking about another game (???) or he must've been drunk haha. What a shitshow.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 10:48 am
Pippina
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One issue in clearing this up was that it was a mixed bag throughout vanilla. Warriors were always a tremendously powerful PvP class, and were initially just okay in PvE as dps, but dual wield fury was a really weak spec. It later got buffs and talent updates, and by the end of vanilla, with better knowledge on itemization and the buffs, fury warrior dps was very strong.

An original WoW developer who was head of class balance said that if not for BC on the horizon, they would have nerfed warrior dps in a later 1.XX patch. It's quite strong. If you go to Wowhead's character planner, and only look at Phase 1 gear, you'll find that much of the gear that is best in slot pre-raid for fury warriors is already in the game, unlike is the case for most other classes, especially casters. Warriors are going to be top notch dps for the entirety of Classic.

That's a good point. I do remember there being a lot of churn back then. That's part of what is going to be weird about classic, no back and forth as classes get buffed and then nerfed into the ground every few months as blizzard flailed around trying to find a class balance. We're gonna be living in a snapshot.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 10:50 am
Pippina
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I just noticed something else.

> Protection Paladin
> Reasonable taunting

u w0t m8

Isn't one of the things against a prot paladin is the lack of taunts at all? Obviously not the only negative, but definitely on the list is *no taunts*.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 10:52 am
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