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Xcellers
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Hey all,

Not sure if this might be of use to the few up-and-coming Holy Paladins out there, but I have complied a index of viable H-Pala items from around lvl 30 (Scarlet Monastery) and beyond. The intent is to give an easy overview on progressive item upgrades in the pre-raid and endgame stages of WoW Classic.

The spreadsheet features three Stat Weight settings, Pre-Raid, Standard and Custom, and additionally supports a viability view depending on the phase of inclusion of the specific items. Screen cap of the system can be seen below.


Stat Weight selection system, and item viability setting based on current game phase

The spreadsheet contains all viable item information for Holy Paladins, including item sources, types, key stats, phase of inclusion and a database link (not visible), as seen below


Example screen cap at 60% size to illustrate how long H-Palas might need to look like a turquoise lollipop

As data entry has been made manually, there might be minor mistakes, and naturally I happily take feedback, requests and revisions, Feedback can be dropped into the final tab and I will update in batches as appropriate.

If you want to check it out, then you can find it here:

Vault of the Silverhands, A Gear Primer for Holy Paladins

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Topic starter Posted : 14/07/2019 8:47 am
zutch
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Thank you so much ! this is quite impressive !

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Posted : 14/07/2019 10:45 pm
Xcellers
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Happy to hear its of use Zutch!

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Topic starter Posted : 15/07/2019 5:50 am
zutch
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I wonder if there's any numbers to compare healer performance in raids, you know, resto shamans, holy/disc priests, resto druids, hpalla !
would be nice to see some numbers on how they perform ! i know this isn't what your guide is about, but i imagine you know better sources for class information !

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Posted : 15/07/2019 9:37 am
TJourney
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This appears to be of very fine quality. Thank you so much for composing it!

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Posted : 15/07/2019 11:44 am
Xcellers
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I actually cant recall seeing any patchwerk style comparisons, tho that would be quite neat to have around. But i do think the general consensus is that the order is something along the lines of Holy Priest > Restro Shaman & Holy Paladin > Restro Druid > Disc Priest if you go by healing output, but disregarding the ever important toolsets of each class is maybe not the best.

I think once we go live, we will have access to much better data (incl. stat weights etc), so fingers crossed that someone compiles a nice little overview of this!

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Topic starter Posted : 15/07/2019 11:47 am
Xcellers
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Thanks a bunch TJourney, if you spot any mistakes or concerns, then please let me know!

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Topic starter Posted : 15/07/2019 11:49 am
zutch
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I actually cant recall seeing any patchwerk style comparisons, tho that would be quite neat to have around. But i do think the general consensus is that the order is something along the lines of Holy Priest > Restro Shaman & Holy Paladin > Restro Druid > Disc Priest if you go by healing output, but disregarding the ever important toolsets of each class is maybe not the best.

I think once we go live, we will have access to much better data (incl. stat weights etc), so fingers crossed that someone compiles a nice little overview of this!

i found this video

and i kept watching the heal meter, and this guy (plus 2 other pallas) were topping the heal meters ! versus 2-3 priests !!!

granted i didn't skim through the 2h footage (am abit sleepy) but i'll definitely find more videos to look into it
am also quite surprised, the palla is just spamming flash heal, while the other priests( you can see them in the video) pause for few seconds before casting again ! so i like the palla's sustain/efficiency !

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Posted : 15/07/2019 3:15 pm
Xcellers
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Ah sorry I didnt see the reply!

Well its a bit hard to base it on a MC run since there is so many factors that we cant account for such as overhealing, gear, raid roles, afks and individual skill levels. Normally, for stuff like this, we would look at a patchwerk style encounter (preferably a simulation, to account for skill level, lag etc) to do a solid comparison but we dont really have access to that for classic yet (as far as i know?).

Your key take away is however very solid, cause one of the really great things about Holy Palas is that we can sustain like crazy, as soon as we hit a decent gear level. The kicker here is naturally Illumination so you really want to stack crit until you can sustain for an extended period of time!

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Topic starter Posted : 18/07/2019 3:34 am
Xcellers
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Sheet has now been updated to encompass buffs, consumables and a range of Paladin milestones (skills, professionalises, class quests and attunements) e.g. a bunch of nice to have, not need to have.

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Topic starter Posted : 22/07/2019 2:08 am
Xcellers
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With a stress-test in 5 days, name-reservations in 10 days and launch in 24 days, then I hope its okay to undrown the vault, in case boding Holy Paladins find themselves in need of item information.

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Topic starter Posted : 02/08/2019 3:49 pm
Xcellers
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Just going to resurrect this, instead of starting a whole new topic for it - but for the few dedicated Holy Paladins, mentally preparing for BGs and group-oriented PVP, then I have just updated the Vault of the Silverhands to better support PVP builds.

At its core, the update has newly adjusted Phase inclusion values for WSG/AV rep items, and now supports Stat Weight Values for Armour - I have a pre-configured stat weight set based on my best estimates, but I encourage any users to use the Custom input fields, and their own Stat Weights so it suits their playstyle and requirements!

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Topic starter Posted : 09/12/2019 10:48 am
rijndael
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This is absolutely phenomenal by the way.

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Posted : 09/12/2019 1:39 pm
teebling
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This is absolutely phenomenal by the way.

Seconded, Xcellers puts out very high calibre stuff.

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Posted : 09/12/2019 1:48 pm
rijndael
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Seconded, Xcellers puts out very high calibre stuff.

Yeah seriously. I've spent a lot of time digging through this spreadsheet and compiling my toon's wishlist, and doing some EPGP calculations to determine how I can prioritize my most desired upgrades. LoL

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Posted : 09/12/2019 1:53 pm
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