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Chablo
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I understand a lot of you are recommending the 1050ti and the rx 560 budget cards BUT you have to understand bottlenecking!!!!!!!!!! Pairing a decent CPU with a under powered GPU will not be any better than what you have now. Please understand that you need to pair your CPU with a reasonable GPU to not suffer performance.
You will be wasting your money on a gpu that cannot handle the cpu and vice versa!
My two cents. But, it is your money being wasted not mine. If that's what you want to do then so be it.

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Posted : 24/08/2019 5:52 pm
Pippina
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I understand a lot of you are recommending the 1050ti and the rx 560 budget cards BUT you have to understand bottlenecking!!!!!!!!!! Pairing a decent CPU with a under powered GPU will not be any better than what you have now. Please understand that you need to pair your CPU with a reasonable GPU to not suffer performance.
You will be wasting your money on a gpu that cannot handle the cpu and vice versa!
My two cents. But, it is your money being wasted not mine. If that's what you want to do then so be it.

He's toying with one of these:

It's a small form factor Dell with a proprietary power supply, meaning you can't just go get something off the shelf from Fry's and shove it in there. So while I get what you're saying, he is stuck within the 75W envelope of the PCIe slot by itself. Also stuck with a low profile card, too. I get the impression he's trying to hotrod a piece of shit off ebay for funsies and not a lot of money, which can be done but does have a limit.

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Posted : 24/08/2019 6:19 pm
Pippina
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Actually if you're trying to hotrod this thing for fun... why not go all out?

Use a PCIe riser cable and mount a full sized GPU outside of the case like what LTT did with this thing

Mount an external ATX power supply as well to power the damn thing. That dell board is probably using proprietary non-ATX pinouts, and may not even be using ATX power sequencing... meaning no power_on, power_good, etc signals. But you could get around that by wiring up a secondary ATX power supply on the outside LoL

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Posted : 24/08/2019 6:45 pm
Chablo
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Actually if you're trying to hotrod this thing for fun... why not go all out?

Use a PCIe riser cable and mount a full sized GPU outside of the case like what LTT did with this thing

Mount an external ATX power supply as well to power the damn thing. That dell board is probably using proprietary non-ATX pinouts, and may not even be using ATX power sequencing... meaning no power_on, power_good, etc signals. But you could get around that by wiring up a secondary ATX power supply on the outside LoL

This right here!!!!

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Posted : 24/08/2019 8:44 pm
Black Monarch
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Oh, yeah, that reminds me of the time when I had a $300 eMachines mini-itx desktop and the power supply blew out. It used a proprietary form factor, so my replacement PSU was held in by a single screw and was always at a weird angle. Good times.

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Posted : 24/08/2019 9:28 pm
Pippina
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Oh, yeah, that reminds me of the time when I had a $300 eMachines mini-itx desktop and the power supply blew out. It used a proprietary form factor, so my replacement PSU was held in by a single screw and was always at a weird angle. Good times.

I'm surprised you were able to find a replacement. They don't all do this, but a lot of the pre-built companies liked to use proprietary non-ATX spec power supplies. Compaq was pretty bad with this back in the day. Not only was the shape of the PSU body unique, but the pinout and (I think) the power logic signals were different from ATX spec. Made it so you'd have to go back to the OEM for replacements, and made upgrades pretty difficult.

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Posted : 24/08/2019 9:35 pm
Black Monarch
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Oh, yeah, that reminds me of the time when I had a $300 eMachines mini-itx desktop and the power supply blew out. It used a proprietary form factor, so my replacement PSU was held in by a single screw and was always at a weird angle. Good times.

I'm surprised you were able to find a replacement. They don't all do this, but a lot of the pre-built companies liked to use proprietary non-ATX spec power supplies. Compaq was pretty bad with this back in the day. Not only was the shape of the PSU body unique, but the pinout and (I think) the power logic signals were different from ATX spec. Made it so you'd have to go back to the OEM for replacements, and made upgrades pretty difficult.

I guess I was fortunate that eMachines was just too cheap and lazy to bother investing in development of such a standard Smile

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Posted : 24/08/2019 9:47 pm
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