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Magezi
(@magezi)
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Hello there,

I still can't decide if I should pick human or gnome although I said I'd pick human in the other thread. I was wondering now if there was a 1vs1 between human and gnome mage, wouldn't human ALWAYS lose because of escape artist for gnomes? I really want to play human but I don't want to be weaker than gnomes. Human racials are just so bad for mages. I could ignore the 5% int bonus for gnomes but I can't accept losing to gnomes in BG or 1vs1 just because they have that overpowered escape artist.

So, in direct comparison, is human mage really way worse than gnome?

Thanks in advance!

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Topic starter Posted : 20/08/2019 11:35 pm
Cook
 Cook
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Nah, you can just play human. Gnomes ain't people.

On mage vs. mage duels escape artist won't help you win the duel. Against other classes it's not so 'phenomenal' either.

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Posted : 20/08/2019 11:43 pm
Pippina
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Nah, you can just play human. Gnomes ain't people.


LoL

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Posted : 21/08/2019 12:00 am
Pluuf
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Hey there,

It seems like you are on the fence between visuals and minmax mentality. Ask yourself the question: Are you physically capable of getting to level 60 as a gnome? Even if you are a fast speedrunner, that's 5 days of playtime, a.k.a. 119 hours watching a gnome doing casting, running, dying and drinking.

Now let's compare your endgame Gnome to your endgame Human. I use Sixtyupgrades for this, it's a nice tool.

Here is the gnome:
https://sixtyupgrades.com/set/q2P98QfcVT1yBTjgZKbqSr

Here is the human:
https://sixtyupgrades.com/set/hWntnfSNHTNZvhjAMChi4j

I notice that Sixtyupgrades.com does not account for racials, but w/e, we can calculate that ourselves.

So our mages have 304 intellect at level 60 in pretty good gear. Naxx level gear. Now if we add 5% to that, we get a whopping 319 intellect. that's a 15 intellect difference, in the upper limits of good gear. That's 225 mana and 0.25% crit. A max rank frostbolt costs 290 mana, so going Gnome gives you just one frostbolt less. Is that worth looking at silly animations for 119 hours in leveling alone, while not even accounting for all the endgame content you are going to do in order to get to that level of gear?

We all know the answer to that question. Go human. Wink

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Posted : 21/08/2019 12:08 am
vanillalad
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The gnome racials are vastly superior, since you actually will have use for them.
Perception is useless on a human mage since r1 arcane explosion completely replaces it.

You are making a mistake if you roll human mage.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 12:25 am
Vanilj
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I believe in that you should just play whatever makes you enjoy the game the most and what will keep you playing the game the longest since it's your adventure. You will be playing that character for so many hours maybe even 100's of just grinding for gold, dungeons, raids etc. and if you do not enjoy your time because of the visuals of your character then you're just gonna be in pain most of the time. I did the same thing when I played on a private server a while back and picked gnome for that min/max but I hated every minute of it and eventually quit for another character.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 12:37 am
Relik
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Don't forget https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20599/diplomacy , this will save you a lot of time in Classic.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 1:04 am
ariba
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Isn't it a pretty easy choice? The 5% intelligence increase as a Gnome is pretty God-tier in terms of min-maxing.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 1:52 am
Cook
 Cook
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Isn't it a pretty easy choice? The 5% intelligence increase as a Gnome is pretty God-tier in terms of min-maxing.

Another poster just made the calculations and it's "225 mana and 0.25% crit" in naxx gear. Looks pretty useless to me.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 3:02 am
ariba
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Isn't it a pretty easy choice? The 5% intelligence increase as a Gnome is pretty God-tier in terms of min-maxing.

Another poster just made the calculations and it's "225 mana and 0.25% crit" in naxx gear. Looks pretty useless to me.

Eh, in terms of vanilla, yea it probably is, considering how silly easy the PVE content is, but that's still one more cast of x spell if you're going to go ham on min-maxing.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 3:08 am
Uncle Ganus McAnus
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Gnomes ain't people.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 3:39 am
ReverendChris
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We all know the answer to that question. Go human.

But I like Gnome.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 4:40 am
Gensei
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At the end of the day, it really just comes down to if you can avoid going oom through a 3-4 min fight, the amount of crit provided by the gnome bonus int is okay, but it's the mana pool size that matters.

But as a mage, you have mana potions, mana gems, evocation, dark runes, and god knows what else. No other class has more tools for mana replenishment in combat.

Certainly, if you worry that you'll hate playing a gnome and you won't enjoy leveling it, then certainly just go human. What does thinking about life at 60 matter if you can't get there?

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Posted : 21/08/2019 6:47 am
centurion
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If your gut says to play human, just play as a human. You're only weaker than a gnome mage if that gnome is better or has an identical skill level and setup as you, otherwise the difference is negligible in my eyes. If you don't want to play as a gnome then you're going to regret it halfway in.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 6:51 am
Magezi
(@magezi)
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Big thanks for all of your answers. Considering my starting post: Is escape artist really that good in a 1vs1 situation or in PvE? Or is it negligible?

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Topic starter Posted : 21/08/2019 7:26 am
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