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Lendryn
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Big thanks for all of your answers. Considering my starting post: Is escape artist really that good in a 1vs1 situation or in PvE? Or is it negligible?

In PvE it won't matter. In 1v1's you can use it to remove hamstring or crippling poison which is great. Blink only has you covered for rooting effects.

That said warrior is already an easy match-up for any mage.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 7:38 am
FTHforever
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If you are torn, go human. You will thank yourself later. Only go gnome if you don't care about style or actually like their look.

Back in classic I was torn, was going for min maxing but eventually deleted my gnome warlock at lvl60 with a couple of MC epics. I never looked back, because I could not take that anymore and the 'workaround' of always using noggers or deviates is too expensive.

For racials: both escape artist and awareness are pretty whatever for mage. If you want to have an impactful racial as mage go undead like 100% of the hardcore mages.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 7:59 am
Kazukii
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I personally always chose a Gnome Mage.
It seems like a fitting character for the class, plus we get int and a very useful racial after blink is on CD.

The fitting class for Humans and Orcs to me is a warlock but that's my opinion :p
https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20599/diplomacy vs https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20591/expansive-mind

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Posted : 21/08/2019 8:15 am
DoomC
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Here is the gnome:
https://sixtyupgrades.com/set/q2P98QfcVT1yBTjgZKbqSr

Here is the human:
https://sixtyupgrades.com/set/hWntnfSNHTNZvhjAMChi4j
That website looks pretty neat. Never heard about it before.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 8:19 am
Pippina
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Here is the gnome:
https://sixtyupgrades.com/set/q2P98QfcVT1yBTjgZKbqSr

Here is the human:
https://sixtyupgrades.com/set/hWntnfSNHTNZvhjAMChi4j
That website looks pretty neat. Never heard about it before.

Are you guys able to see a character rendered on the page with all the gear? It seems like there is supposed to be one there but I can't see one on my screen.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 8:37 am
Black Monarch
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The correct answer is BLOOD ELF mage.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 8:40 am
Mythric
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Dude, roll a gnome, humans are boring anyway and, their racials are not that bad for mage, but if you already have a human character planned, make your mage a gnome

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Posted : 21/08/2019 8:42 am
Grindhouse
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Play what you like the most, that goes for every class/race. Unless you are going to join a super hardcore guild i wouldn't min/max. If you don't connect with your character whats the point in doing a little better on meters etc.

Play to have fun (unless your a ret pala rofl)

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Posted : 21/08/2019 8:53 am
DoomC
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Are you guys able to see a character rendered on the page with all the gear? It seems like there is supposed to be one there but I can't see one on my screen.

Nope. Seems like a bug.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 9:01 am
Black Monarch
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make your mage a gnome

Gnomes have +10 to engineering. Engineering is obviously a hunter profession. Therefore, if you're going to roll a gnome, you should make him/her a hunter.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 9:06 am
Mythric
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make your mage a gnome

Gnomes have +10 to engineering. Engineering is obviously a hunter profession. Therefore, if you're going to roll a gnome, you should make him/her a hunter.

+15 even. But gnomes can't be hunters in vanilla

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Posted : 21/08/2019 9:08 am
Pippina
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You're forgetting the hidden racial that gnomes have - everybody hates gnomes. So when you kill somebody in PVP, when you dip your tiny little nutsack in their face and then bunnyhop away from their corpse while spamming /train you can almost see them throwing their keyboards in anger. This is the real gnome racial talent.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 10:08 am
Instinctz
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Hey there,

It seems like you are on the fence between visuals and minmax mentality. Ask yourself the question: Are you physically capable of getting to level 60 as a gnome? Even if you are a fast speedrunner, that's 5 days of playtime, a.k.a. 119 hours watching a gnome doing casting, running, dying and drinking.

Now let's compare your endgame Gnome to your endgame Human. I use Sixtyupgrades for this, it's a nice tool.

Here is the gnome:
https://sixtyupgrades.com/set/q2P98QfcVT1yBTjgZKbqSr

Here is the human:
https://sixtyupgrades.com/set/hWntnfSNHTNZvhjAMChi4j

I notice that Sixtyupgrades.com does not account for racials, but w/e, we can calculate that ourselves.

So our mages have 304 intellect at level 60 in pretty good gear. Naxx level gear. Now if we add 5% to that, we get a whopping 319 intellect. that's a 15 intellect difference, in the upper limits of good gear. That's 225 mana and 0.25% crit. A max rank frostbolt costs 290 mana, so going Gnome gives you just one frostbolt less. Is that worth looking at silly animations for 119 hours in leveling alone, while not even accounting for all the endgame content you are going to do in order to get to that level of gear?

We all know the answer to that question. Go human. Wink
this seems wrong. there is no way a human and gnome mage have exactly the same attributes at level 60 in the same gear.
first of all there is just the baseline differences between the two classes. humans would have higher str for one.
for two due to racials the human would have higher spirit and the gnome would have higher intellect.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 10:33 am
Pluuf
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this seems wrong. there is no way a human and gnome mage have exactly the same attributes at level 60 in the same gear.
first of all there is just the baseline differences between the two classes. humans would have higher str for one.
for two due to racials the human would have higher spirit and the gnome would have higher intellect.

Yes I noticed that too, that's why I wrote "
I notice that Sixtyupgrades.com does not account for racials, but w/e, we can calculate that ourselves.
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But its a negligible difference. And if you can't stand the character model for so long and reroll / burn out and quit you sure are casting a lot more frost bolts as a human.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 10:46 am
Zacheous
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make your mage a gnome

Gnomes have +10 to engineering. Engineering is obviously a hunter profession. Therefore, if you're going to roll a gnome, you should make him/her a hunter.

Gnomes can't be hunters.

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Posted : 22/08/2019 11:39 am
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