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Soza
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I've only played since BC/WoTLK so I'm not really sure on this.

I've been watching a few videos on picking a race/class (atm, for me its shaman or priest), and a lot seem to praise specific races with a certain class. For example, it seems a Dwarf Priest is incredible due to its fear ward.

If I want to get into some end-game raiding/progression runs, and if I wanted to do an Ally Priest, will I get turned away from some guilds if I'm not a dwarf? Alternatively, if I want to roll a Shaman, it seems anything BUT an Orc is a no-no?

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neofrag
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If I want to get into some end-game raiding/progression runs, and if I wanted to do an Ally Priest, will I get turned away from some guilds if I'm not a dwarf?

There will be probably that one guild on each server (sometimes even more than one) that will give you not a chance if you don't have the perfect combination. The question is: Do you want to play in such a guild/raid?

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Not just race, but also what spec you decide to use (e.g. Shadow Priest it's hard to get an invite; cause they need their priests to heal not dps).. Rogues are the most played class so it may be hard to get an invite as a rogue, cause all those slots are generally filled..

You should watch the following video as it explains everything about how to pick a class

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...will I get turned away from some guilds if I'm not a dwarf? Alternatively, if I want to roll a Shaman, it seems anything BUT an Orc is a no-no?...

Let me clear something up for you. There's a huge difference between viable, and optimal.

Viable would be rolling a priest and playing a spec that actually functions normally inside of a dungeon or raid. You wouldn't go 50/50 shadow+holy and expect to be picked up by a guild.

Optimal would be rolling a specific class+race combination that best suits your guild. In most cases it will be a Dwarf priest that is sought after over a human solely for the purpose of having fear ward.

So no, I wouldn't say you would be turned away due to not rolling a Dwarf.

As for the Orc question, well...
Thrall is a shaman, therefore every shaman must be an orc.

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Soza
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The question is: Do you want to play in such a guild/raid?

A very good point! I guess not. I can imagine the same kind of guild wouldn't exactly gel too well with my own playstyle (both in and out of game). I'll just have to hope the little less serious guilds are more forgiving. :biggrin:
Not just race, but also what spec you decide to use (e.g. Shadow Priest it's hard to get an invite; cause they need their priests to heal not dps).. Rogues are the most played class so it may be hard to get an invite as a rogue, cause all those slots are generally filled..

You should watch the following video as it explains everything about how to pick a class

That's a great video. Thank you for that. I'm watching it now. I suppose I'd always go healing (either Holy Priest or Resto Shaman), so fingers crossed I should be able to find at least A space.

Let me clear something up for you. There's a huge difference between viable, and optimal.

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As for the Orc question, well...
Thrall is a shaman, therefore every shaman must be an orc.

Haha. Guess I got to be an Orc now Mr. Green

And thanks for clearing that up. Puts things into perspective quite a bit more.

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Yeah in the vid I just posted he says Fear Ward is not necessary (as good tanks dont need it), but it a big reason to choose another priest over you.
Rolling Dwarf priest will make finding a guild ALOT easier..

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I've been watching a few videos on picking a race/class (atm, for me its shaman or priest), and a lot seem to praise specific races with a certain class. For example, it seems a Dwarf Priest is incredible due to its fear ward.

https://barrens.chat/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1046

Make your own decision based on small racial/class synergies or base stat differences ^, make your own decision based purely on aesthetics, make your decision based on what your guild need... whatever you do you will get into raids so don't worry about it pal.

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I'll just have to hope the little less serious guilds are more forgiving.

Even plenty of the more progress-orientated guilds were quiet tolerant on that topic in the days of vanilla. Especially prior AQ40 & Nax.

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Invictus
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Haha yea priests will get you into a good guild if you can play one with skill

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Soza
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I've been watching a few videos on picking a race/class (atm, for me its shaman or priest), and a lot seem to praise specific races with a certain class. For example, it seems a Dwarf Priest is incredible due to its fear ward.

https://barrens.chat/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1046

Make your own decision based on small racial/class synergies or base stat differences ^, make your own decision based purely on aesthetics, make your decision based on what your guild need... whatever you do you will get into raids so don't worry about it pal.

I'll have to check the stat stuff out! This looks amazing Smile

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If I want to get into some end-game raiding/progression runs, and if I wanted to do an Ally Priest, will I get turned away from some guilds if I'm not a dwarf? Alternatively, if I want to roll a Shaman, it seems anything BUT an Orc is a no-no?

Race matters for PvP IF you are min/maxxing. Race has very little impact on the outcome of PvE content. Dwarf fear ward is super strong, but not even dwarves are mandatory. The reality is that PvE content is incredibly trivial by modern standards. The difficulty of amassing a 40 man raid and having 40 members online at any given time IS the challenge of vanilla raiding, not the actual content. Unless you are planning on joining Method for PvE or some top tier PvP premade group you aren't obligated to min/max your racial choice.

As said by Nenski "there is a huge difference between viable, and optimal."

I almost feel like we should have a full thread explaining what optimal VS viable actually means and how it pretains to Classic. If you ask me for the "BEST _____", I will likely be able to make a case for the outcome that will net the highest value overall, but that wont be best in every circumstance.

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Another thing worth pointing out...raids are FORTY people. Thats a lot of slots to fill and having a player is always better than having an open slot. Unless your in a "full clear MC in 1 hour" super try-hard guild, pretty much _anyone_ can raid if they show up on time and can at least play their class/spec

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Threkuul
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Ill put it this way...(these numbers are arbitrary, im just trying to make a point)

If you are lvl 60 and logged in, you already have a 30% chance to get into a raid. (Depending on the raid and your class, you might not even have to be 60! Everyone wants free pally buffs!)
-Add to that, "i know how to play my class/spec reasonably well", your chances just went up to 40%
-add to that, "everyone knows im chill and i get along well with my guildmates". 60%.
-add on top of that, "i have at least most of my pre-raid BiS gear", now youre taking 80%.
-add to that, "ive min-maxed my race/class/talents/items/gear/enchants to be as good as possible"....needless to say, thats going to get you right up to 100%. Hell, if youre THAT dedicated, you'll want to find a new, more hardcore guild anyway.

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Aegust
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Imo race choice in PvE is imperative only if you're in the top raiding guild of the server and pushing for server firsts or something like that.

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Faendor
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I like to see this kind of posts. Remember that there is room for everyone from casuals to hardcore players. You shouldn't feel forced to roll certain race/class combo. You yourself should know best what experience you want to have and you can decide accordingly.
I always laugh when I see someone trying to persuade me that you gotta roll dwarf priest no matter what you wanna do in the game (what a slave). For someone it surely might be the case as they wanna be very competitive and want to take any advantage they can. But I feel like I can contribute much as well without the fancy racials, you could see it as an additional challange.

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