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Ajs
 Ajs
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Hello Folks

I am mentally wasted because i can not figure out which of the classes i should play.

Atm i have a 32 Orc Hunter and a 20 UD Mage. Leveling the Hunter is super fun but the Mage is not.
My goals are Duels, 1v1, World PvP an BGs. I dont care about PvE dps or such things. I will be raiding only to get gear tho.
Please, can an experienced PvP player help me if i should go the long grind with the mage or stick to my hunter?

I really want to play the better class in PvP at 60.
It does not matter which class is better being fresh 60 because i want to have a strong class for whole classic.

I have no time to play both.
Thank you in advance!

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Topic starter Posted : 04/10/2019 1:16 am
Stfuppercut
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"My goals are Duels, 1v1, World PvP an BGs."

In their current state, hunters are broken. Mages are strong for all of these. Hunters are currently not strong. If you want to be competitive in PvP, dont roll a hunter until they are fixed, and even then... Maybe not. The "fixed" version wont be as strong as hunters were for the majority of vanilla and will be a shell of what hunters were on private.

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Posted : 04/10/2019 1:24 am
mrfrostikcz
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If you wanna play PvP, mage is good way.

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Posted : 04/10/2019 1:37 am
Ajs
 Ajs
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I was into mage from the Beginning but got bored because i have to drink after each Mob. So i went hunter but i guess 60 is what matters and i have to bite the bullet

Thank you

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Topic starter Posted : 04/10/2019 3:24 am
Hunter
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I will do Hunter in 60 PvP. All these people say "This class is strongest", or "that class is stronger". It's so far from the truth as possibly can come. Truth of the matter is, the best player wins. You get gadgets to deal with your flaws. You use items in vanilla to be strong. Truth of the matter is, skill will always have priority over inherent class strength.

Edit: To all the people saying "mage" - mfw Free Action Potion/Spider Belt

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Posted : 04/10/2019 8:16 am
Telvaine
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I love hunter because with cheetah, concussive shot, huntard's mark, flares, humanoid tracking, extra long range, etc you essentially run as the scout for group pvp, especially if you are talking wpvp. I just found that role very enjoyable. It's fun finding the enemy trying to sneak around you, exposing them, then running them down and snaring them for the rest of the pack to catch up and finish the kill. No class does that quite as effectively as a hunter. It is also a class which, like rogue, feels like you have tools to deal with every situation.

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Posted : 04/10/2019 12:36 pm
teebling
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huntard's mark
LoL

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Posted : 04/10/2019 12:52 pm
Stfuppercut
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I will do Hunter in 60 PvP. All these people say "This class is strongest", or "that class is stronger". It's so far from the truth as possibly can come. Truth of the matter is, the best player wins.

No. This is inaccurate. This is not how vanilla PvP works. This is how retail PvP works. Vanilla classes are very rock, paper, scissors. Certain classes will have an advantage in some circumstances and be at a disadvantage in others. In PvP that matters, group PvP in BG's, certain specs thrive and others are completely useless. Gear matters. Gear matters a lot. At a certain gear threshold, no amount of skill will overcome gear. I am currently walking around with epic weapons and smashing people. I kill others in seconds. This is not because im a skillful player, its due to the massive gear disparity between the hardcore users and the fresh 60s. This disparity grows larger and larger as vanilla continues.
You get gadgets to deal with your flaws. You use items in vanilla to be strong. Truth of the matter is, skill will always have priority over inherent class strength.

Right, but when you are assessing a classes strengths or weaknesses you are assuming an equally competent opponent with access to the same trinkets that you have. In this circumstance, with how weak hunters are in vanilla, a mage will provide more value more often.

Without leeway, without shared DR's, without spell batching and without the plethora of hunter bugs, hunters WERE incredibly strong. In Classic, they are not. They are weak. Can a hunter beat other classes? Of course. But when we are talking about competitive PvP on a skilled premade, I would not recommend playing a hunter.

Look at my post history. I am a hunter main... Always have been. Currently have a level 50 hunter in Classic and will spend more time on this than any other toon, BUT, objectively, hunters are not doing well.

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Posted : 05/10/2019 12:45 am
Hunter
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I will do Hunter in 60 PvP. All these people say "This class is strongest", or "that class is stronger". It's so far from the truth as possibly can come. Truth of the matter is, the best player wins.

No. This is inaccurate. This is not how vanilla PvP works. This is how retail PvP works. Vanilla classes are very rock, paper, scissors. Certain classes will have an advantage in some circumstances and be at a disadvantage in others. In PvP that matters, group PvP in BG's, certain specs thrive and others are completely useless. Gear matters. Gear matters a lot. At a certain gear threshold, no amount of skill will overcome gear. I am currently walking around with epic weapons and smashing people. I kill others in seconds. This is not because im a skillful player, its due to the massive gear disparity between the hardcore users and the fresh 60s. This disparity grows larger and larger as vanilla continues.
You get gadgets to deal with your flaws. You use items in vanilla to be strong. Truth of the matter is, skill will always have priority over inherent class strength.

Right, but when you are assessing a classes strengths or weaknesses you are assuming an equally competent opponent with access to the same trinkets that you have. In this circumstance, with how weak hunters are in vanilla, a mage will provide more value more often.

Without leeway, without shared DR's, without spell batching and without the plethora of hunter bugs, hunters WERE incredibly strong. In Classic, they are not. They are weak. Can a hunter beat other classes? Of course. But when we are talking about competitive PvP on a skilled premade, I would not recommend playing a hunter.

Look at my post history. I am a hunter main... Always have been. Currently have a level 50 hunter in Classic and will spend more time on this than any other toon, BUT, objectively, hunters are not doing well.

All of this is nullified by simple worldly phenomenon as getting the drop on people. Gear matters a lot, yes, I should've mentioned that. Kind of did with gadgets, but oh well. In 1.12, all classes were normized far more than any previous patch. As a hunter, I have slain many rogues with tier gear and purples, who have even had opening on me. This is not to brag, it's just to refute your statement.

Hunters will be fine. Just become a better player.

Oh, and also, OP - your life will become a tiny bit clearer once you start thinking of hunters for what they are: a semi-support class.

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Posted : 05/10/2019 12:57 am
Stfuppercut
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Hunters will be fine. Just become a better player.

Mmmmhmm. Best of luck tough guy. When you start fighting people who are in the same league as you, I think you'll come to accept the inherent disadvantages that a hunter has to deal with due to the class currently being broken. It is malfunctioning. As someone who plays a warrior now, hunters are laughable, which should not be the case for a warrior. "Get good" is not the answer to a class that is broken. But if youre okay with getting stomped by people who are worse than you due to your class being broken, be my guest, and this will be the case.

edit: I had this same conversation with a billy badass hunter in my guild the other day. Then the guild hosted a dual tournament. All the hunters felt pretty bad afterwards... Including him, after they had PvP'd against some people who understood how to abuse leeway. All these raid geared hunts sporting their Rhok bows and anticipating the slaughter. Immediately humbled. But that wont be the case with you because youre better! You'll just outplay the fact that the class doesnt function, against ALL opponents... Mmhmmm.

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Posted : 05/10/2019 1:04 am
Hunter
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Hunters will be fine. Just become a better player.

Mmmmhmm. Best of luck tough guy. When you start fighting people who are in the same league as you, I think you'll come to accept the inherent disadvantages that a hunter has to deal with due to the class currently being broken. It is malfunctioning. As someone who plays a warrior now, hunters are laughable, which should not be the case for a warrior. "Get good" is not the answer to a class that is broken. But if youre okay with getting stomped by people who are worse than you due to your class being broken, be my guest, and this will be the case.

edit: I had this same conversation with a billy badass hunter in my guild the other day. Then the guild hosted a dual tournament. All the hunters felt pretty bad... Including him, after they had PvP'd against some people who understood how to abuse leeway. But that wont be the case with you because youre better! You'll just outplay the fact that the class doesnt function, against ALL opponents... Mmhmmm.

Ok

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Posted : 05/10/2019 1:07 am
morbidmike
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In their current state Hunters are kind of fucked in 1v1. Still very, very strong in group PvP though. I've been 60 for about a month now on my Hunter, 1v1ing Rogues and Warriors that know what they're doing is very hard at the moment. Rogues can literally sprint over your traps without triggering them and Warriors can Charge/Intercept over them. Because they just don't trigger quickly enough.
You don't pick Hunter to become the very best 1v1er though. If you want to become the best 1v1er you roll Warlock or Shadow Priest, or perhaps Shaman. You pick Hunter for the group PvP impact. To burst down clothies in group PvP, to provide zoning and to make sure Rogues don't rape your healers. And Hunters really excel at those things. If you play Mage you will likely experience first hand what Hunters are best at: shutting down Mages in group PvP.

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Posted : 05/10/2019 8:15 am
Hunter
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In their current state Hunters are kind of fucked in 1v1. Still very, very strong in group PvP though. I've been 60 for about a month now on my Hunter, 1v1ing Rogues and Warriors that know what they're doing is very hard at the moment. Rogues can literally sprint over your traps without triggering them and Warriors can Charge/Intercept over them. Because they just don't trigger quickly enough.
You don't pick Hunter to become the very best 1v1er though. If you want to become the best 1v1er you roll Warlock or Shadow Priest, or perhaps Shaman. You pick Hunter for the group PvP impact. To burst down clothies in group PvP, to provide zoning and to make sure Rogues don't rape your healers. And Hunters really excel at those things. If you play Mage you will likely experience first hand what Hunters are best at: shutting down Mages in group PvP.

This. Except I'll also add that re-traps are incredibly powerful against warriors and rogues. We have mail armor to deal with both of them. Let rogue open on you, re-traps, bandage, flare so he can't Vanish, skull of the impending doom so it breaks his panic blind, then call it a day.

How to deal with mages -> viperstinglol

Ultimately, hunters are wolves. Wolves are not dangerous because of their fangs or claws. They are dangerous because of the pack. And they make a damn good addition to that pack, with infinite utility tools.

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Posted : 05/10/2019 9:19 am
Stfuppercut
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In their current state Hunters are kind of fucked in 1v1. Still very, very strong in group PvP though.

And here is the issue. Because in BG's hunters will often find themselves in 1v1's. They are typically flag sitting in AB. Or harassing a healer and attempting to separate him from the fight in WSG. They are also carry assists or defensive in WSG. A hunter is designed to be good in a 1v1 situation, so the fact that they are underperforming puts their entire value into question for a premade. Dont get me wrong, vipersting is still incredibly valuable, almost good enough to validate bringing a hunter, but I think we will see far fewer hunters in premade teams than we are accustomed to.

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Posted : 05/10/2019 3:10 pm
Jpy
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This thread is depressing, oh how the mighty have fallen.

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Posted : 05/10/2019 3:41 pm
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