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RedridgeGnoll
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I want Blizzard to release TBC so I can watch it fail. So players will finally realize that the design of the expansions are what killed World of Warcraft. The design decisions that plague Battle for Azeroth were born in The Burning Crusade.

I want The Burning Crusade after Classic, so that rose-tinted glasses can shatter. It will only further solidfy the greatness of Classic WoW.

I want them to remember how bland and boring Outland is.

I want them to remember the faction imbalance issues that were prevalent when Blood Elves joined the Horde.

I want them to remember how much better Horde was than Alliance.

I want them to remember how Warcraft lore was destroyed in The Burning Crusade.

I want them how to remember how everyone was stuck on a 7 zone continent, with zones that were often empty like Blade's Edge Mountains.

I want them to remember how flying mounts killed off World PvP and shrunk the 7 zone continent to an even smaller size.

I want them to remember how grindy the attunements were just to do a raid.

I want them to remember how uncreative TBC dungeons were.

I want them to remember how imbalanced Arena was.

I want them to remember how disruptive Resilience was to World PvP.

I want them to remember how everyone on both factions walked in circles around Shattrah all day.

I want them to remember how awful Shattrah was as a capital city.

I want them to remember what a chore raiding Black Temple for 1 year was.

I want the truth to be exposed.

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Stfuppercut
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Yea making money is dumb. You should run Blizzard. I'm sure you would massively boost their profit margins.

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Yea making money is dumb. You should run Blizzard. I'm sure you would massively boost their profit margins.

Not if you can make more money keeping Classic alive and growing, rather than release an expansion that is mostly just nostalgia and will be abandoned right away.

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Not if you can make more money keeping Classic alive and growing, rather than release an expansion that is mostly just nostalgia and will be abandoned right away.

TBC is Classic growing smarty pants.

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I agree that some of the concepts that made WoW a boring Player Engagement Engine were born in the Burning Crusade. I also feel that it's when those concepts were actually good, and I wouldn't mind experiencing them again.

25-man raids - These were far more manageable, while maintaining that feeling of being a small, singularly weak but collectively powerful war party charging head-first into the lair of something truly awesome and terrible.

Daily Quests - At their conception during The Burning Crusade, daily quests felt like a fun, totally optional way to earn additional gold and rewards. I do not feel that they were the chore-like slog that they eventually evolved in to.

Interesting 5-mans - I will be the first to admit that the 5-man dungeons in The Burning Crusade were significantly more linear than those in Classic, but the encounters were much more memorable with more interesting mechanics. The heroic dungeons and their accompanying attunements were by far my favorite part of the expansion.

Karazhan - In my opinion, this is still my favorite raid with its funhouse-meets-spooky mansion flavor.

More importantly, I feel that The Burning Crusade maintained the difficulty of WoW Classic while adding a lot of flavor and many more things to do.

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If you want Classic+ or whatever you can go and play on private servers.

No one cares about your opinion on how they could "improve" the game or whatever because you're not a game designer and you're probably not as good or knowledgeable about the game as you think you are. As soon as you open the can of worms with "let's develop classic further and add new content" cs then you're down for endless drama.

From a game design philosophy manner making Classic/TBC is easy and simple - simply create (or attempt to recreate) the most historically accurate recreation of the game to the best of their extent. By going into the "let's develop this further" you will never satisfy anyone. New content zones and raids could/would invalidate previous ones. Balance patches could/would invalidate certain specs and classes or make hybrid classes the go-to specs if they excel at everything.
an expansion that is mostly just nostalgia and will be abandoned right away

That is exactly what retailers said about Vanilla time and again and it's been proven wrong. A lot of people started playing in TBC and regard as the best expansion that ever was.

Everything you wrote there sounds exactly what a retailer could say about Vanilla right now. Hurr-durr leveling a paladin was so boring. Hurr durr Alliance racials in PvE are OP. Hurr durr BGs and DHKs destroyed WPvP. Hurr durr getting to 60 was such a grind. Hurr durr classes were so imbalanced. Your opinion is really not welcome.

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If you want Classic+ or whatever you can go and play on private servers.

No one cares about your opinion on how they could "improve" the game or whatever because you're not a game designer and you're probably not as good or knowledgeable about the game as you think you are. As soon as you open the can of worms with "let's develop classic further and add new content" cs then you're down for endless drama.

From a game design philosophy manner making Classic/TBC is easy and simple - simply create (or attempt to recreate) the most historically accurate recreation of the game to the best of their extent. By going into the "let's develop this further" you will never satisfy anyone. New content zones and raids could/would invalidate previous ones. Balance patches could/would invalidate certain specs and classes or make hybrid classes the go-to specs if they excel at everything.
an expansion that is mostly just nostalgia and will be abandoned right away

That is exactly what retailers said about Vanilla time and again and it's been proven wrong. A lot of people started playing in TBC and regard as the best expansion that ever was.

Everything you wrote there sounds exactly what a retailer could say about Vanilla right now. Hurr-durr leveling a paladin was so boring. Hurr durr Alliance racials in PvE are OP. Hurr durr BGs and DHKs destroyed WPvP. Hurr durr getting to 60 was such a grind. Hurr durr classes were so imbalanced. Your opinion is really not welcome.

There is no need for Blizzard to make the same mistake twice. TBC will crash and burn if they re-release it. I will have my laughs. Nostalgia is a real thing.

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Rolopolo
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I hope they consider creating more raids and expanding classic.

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Relik
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I don't see why we have to resent other players being able to experience their favourite time from WoW's history.

Some people liked Classic, cool.

Some people liked TBC, cool.

Let them play on their own legacy servers, Blizzard makes bank and everyone's happy.

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I want The Burning Crusade after Classic, so that rose-tinted glasses can shatter. It will only further solidfy the greatness of Classic WoW.

A metric shit ton of people said the same thing about classic.

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Classic+ is mostly a joke already. It doesn't even make much sense from design perspective. TBC is the way to go for majority of people imo.

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I want Knoll to stop making threads.

I want him to stop stating he has all the answers.

I want him to delete his account and move on from Barrens chat.

I want him to step back and see how Classic/Vanilla was a successful game and not to try to change it.

I want him to stop thinking games need to be perfect in order to be good or even fun or even stay alive.

I want him to realize that he has opinions that not everyone has.....

To stay on topic before he attacks me on not staying on point.
I disagree with the garbage you are spewing on the internet....
I enjoyed TBC more than Vanilla...
I enjoyed heroics, I enjoyed the tier sets, dungeons and raids TBC has to offer
PVP to me, both world and arena and BGs were better!
I had tons a fun playing TBC more than vanilla even though i played more in vanilla and did/achieved more in vanilla.
I hope they do make it after Classic becomes a success!

People on these forums like stfuppercut, selexin, pipp, nymis, faendor and many more may believe or think that classic/vanilla and tbc is flawed (can't speak for them) but they dont go around attacking the game and saying this needs to be done and have hatred towards it...at least i hope not

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RedridgeGnoll
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I want Knoll to stop making threads.

I want him to stop stating he has all the answers.

I want him to delete his account and move on from Barrens chat.

I want him to step back and see how Classic/Vanilla was a successful game and not to try to change it.

I want him to stop thinking games need to be perfect in order to be good or even fun.

I want him to realize that he has opinions that not everyone has.....

To stay on topic before he attacks me on not staying on point.
I disagree with the garbage you are spewing on the internet....
I enjoyed TBC more than Vanilla...
I enjoyed heroics, I enjoyed the tier sets, dungeons and raids TBC has to offer
PVP to me, both world and arena and BGs were better!
I had tons a fun playing TBC more than vanilla even though i played more in vanilla and did/achieved more in vanilla.
I hope they do make it after Classic becomes a success!

People on these forums like stfuppercut, selexin, pipp, nymis, faendor and many more may believe or think that classic/vanilla and tbc is flawed (can ont speak for them) but they dont go around attacking the game and saying this needs to be done and have hatred towards it...at least i hope not

I have been "hating" on Vanilla since before it even released. Yet I think it is one of the best games ever. I have advocated and argued for its re-release before TBC even launched. Vanilla is the best version of Classic, and offers an open world massive multiplayer experience you can't find in gaming nowadays.

That being said, there is a lot that I disagree with. Classic isn't even true Vanilla. It is patch 1.12, which has damaging systems like crossrealm battlegrounds. I was always under the impression that Classic WoW could have been even better than it was. Sadly we got TBC instead.

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Nyxt
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Classic isn't even true Vanilla. It is patch 1.12

Even if you release the 2004/05 version of vanilla, its still not vanilla.
You can not recreate vanilla as it was.
So they are, in my mind, bringing back how WoW used to be with the RPG elements and experience/feeling (slow pace).
Sadly we got TBC instead.

What in god's name...not even...

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RedridgeGnoll
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Classic isn't even true Vanilla. It is patch 1.12

Even if you release the 2004/05 version of vanilla, its still not vanilla.
You can not recreate vanilla as it was.
So they are, in my mind, bringing back how WoW used to be with the RPG elements and experience/feeling (slow pace).
Sadly we got TBC instead.

What in god's name...not even...

Yeah. I think TBC ruined the game and led to its current state. Less social interaction. More instanced gameplay. Fewer zones. Faster travel. Poor reward structures etc.. TBC started all that. Vanilla was server-only until the very end, meaning you only played with players on your own server. I am convinced players are nostalgic about TBC, and that it wouldn't be as well received today.

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