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Selexin
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I would strongly suggest removing 3/3 Improved Thorn for 3/3 Natural Shapeshifter

He hasn't got feral charge or moonkin form, it's really not required. Natural shapeshifter is more suited for feral spec or 3 tree hybrid spec, as you will be shifting in and out of bear/cat a lot. The spec he provided you spend all your time in human form (except when you stealth around, but leaving cat form costs no mana).

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Erik
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I would strongly suggest removing 3/3 Improved Thorn for 3/3 Natural Shapeshifter

He hasn't got feral charge or moonkin form, it's really not required. Natural shapeshifter is more suited for feral spec or 3 tree hybrid spec, as you will be shifting in and out of bear/cat a lot. The spec he provided you spend all your time in human form (except when you stealth around, but leaving cat form costs no mana).

I didn't see that he left out Feral charge either. It's crucial in PvP as Balance/resto hybrid. Also switching between Bear and human form is crucial for survival (In my opinion). Feral Charge is not only good vs casters it's good vs Melees too. Charge and stun combo for example is really powerfull both vs melee and caster.

In personal experience and opinion obviously, I doubt there is any really good Balance/Resto hybrid PvPers that leave charge out and take imp thorns over natural shapeshifter. You might get away with it sometimes with Engineering with like Rocket helm and stuff like that but I feel like Feral Charge is at least core in most PvP situations

Edit: I would go something like this https://classicdb.ch/?talent#0zjxhMoZVMhoZVecoco few points can be switched around but this is the basic idea

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Selexin
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I doubt there is any really good Balance/Resto hybrid PvPers that leave charge out and take imp thorns over natural shapeshifter.

I do agree that NS is better than imp thorns in every PvP circumstance, my case was more for builds that leave it out.

I have messed around with a non feral charge build on RetroWoW and it felt squishy, but it was fun. DoTs/HoTs everywhere, entangle all the melee, and run away!

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Jon Bloodspray
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You guys should really stick it to the man and make a full guild of meme specs! Then complete all the raids as 100% meme to show those darn min/maxers how silly they are!

Hey man, aren't you the one that said rolling what you want is fine, but maybe leave that discussion out of the serious threads?

I kind of feel like this is a pot meeting kettle moment.

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Hey man, aren't you the one that said rolling what you want is fine, but maybe leave that discussion out of the serious threads?

I kind of feel like this is a pot meeting kettle moment.

Yes! Not only should they roll what they want, they should make a full raid team of memes only!!! :biggrin:

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Kolvacs
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Jon Bloodspray Don't worry dude, for some reason Stfuppercut has a hardon for hating on sub-optimal specs lol.

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Selexin
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for some reason @Stfuppercut has a hardon for hating on sub-optimal specs lol.

Everyone has their kink bro....

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zutch
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I would strongly suggest removing 3/3 Improved Thorn for 3/3 Natural Shapeshifter

He hasn't got feral charge or moonkin form, it's really not required. Natural shapeshifter is more suited for feral spec or 3 tree hybrid spec, as you will be shifting in and out of bear/cat a lot. The spec he provided you spend all your time in human form (except when you stealth around, but leaving cat form costs no mana).

I didn't see that he left out Feral charge either. It's crucial in PvP as Balance/resto hybrid. Also switching between Bear and human form is crucial for survival (In my opinion). Feral Charge is not only good vs casters it's good vs Melees too. Charge and stun combo for example is really powerfull both vs melee and caster.

In personal experience and opinion obviously, I doubt there is any really good Balance/Resto hybrid PvPers that leave charge out and take imp thorns over natural shapeshifter. You might get away with it sometimes with Engineering with like Rocket helm and stuff like that but I feel like Feral Charge is at least core in most PvP situations

Edit: I would go something like this https://classicdb.ch/?talent#0zjxhMoZVMhoZVecoco few points can be switched around but this is the basic idea

fear not, i have adjusted my build, that interrupt is better than i remembered it, altho now i have to sacrifice NS

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Selexin
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fear not, i have adjusted my build, that interrupt is better than i remembered it, altho now i have to sacrifice NS

Nice dude, maybe also consider going thick hide or feral instinct for those 3 points you put into feral agression. I don't see you using demoralizing roar or ferocious bite with this build much. Thick hide for survivability, feral instinct to help you get the jump on your opponents - choose your poison.

There are some great hybrid Druid PvPers, I'm certainly not one of them. Stormx did a lot of hybrid druid pvp videos on private servers and I believe he was quite skilled. I haven't watched much of his stuff, but seen it referenced a lot. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo4Fn7tCjnFSBATOE0lEekA/videos

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Anyone else feeling the irony that a safespace thread for sub-optimal specs has turned into advice on how to fix a sub-sub-optimal spec?

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Selexin
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Anyone else feeling the irony that a safespace thread for sub-optimal specs has turned into advice on how to fix a sub-sub-optimal spec?

Sub-optimal specs probably need more discussion and advice than cookie cutter specs. I think the advice was all in good nature.

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Vlostek
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Anyone else feeling the irony that a safespace thread for sub-optimal specs has turned into advice on how to fix a sub-sub-optimal spec?

Sub-optimal specs probably need more discussion and advice than cookie cutter specs. I think the advice was all in good nature.

It was excellent advice! No druid pvp spec is really complete without feral charge. I just found it’s location (this thread) funny.

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zutch
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Anyone else feeling the irony that a safespace thread for sub-optimal specs has turned into advice on how to fix a sub-sub-optimal spec?

doesn't bother me tbh

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