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TheGreatShambino
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In my opinion, if someone can’t time an instant cast self heal with their next tick of incoming damage, they likely have other, more pressing, in game problems than managing threat/survivability, and probably shouldn’t be rolling a shaman tank. Maybe for the inexperienced shaman, a different weapon could be better, but with experience using Edward, the threat and survivability are unparalleled until p3. It takes good timing and more experience, but the results are there to be attained. Like other classes and high performance specs with nuance, you just gotta know what you’re doing and practice practice practice!

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Posted : 12/12/2019 4:48 pm
Caperfin
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Only real problem on most bosses is lack of "oh shi..." button while warriors have number of those.

Largid
Thank you so much for the support.
Our ohh-sh%& button is more elaborate it's a health potion/Healthstone, swapping to defensive wep+shield and if a buff slot is available: activate JuJu Escape.
I am currently working on implementing non-pvp gear sets. If you have anymore question I am Livestreaming and answering questions whether it be about Shaman tanking, warlock tanking, priest tanking

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Topic starter Posted : 13/12/2019 1:53 am
Caperfin
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In my opinion, if someone can’t time an instant cast self heal with their next tick of incoming damage, they likely have other, more pressing, in game problems than managing threat/survivability, and probably shouldn’t be rolling a shaman tank. Maybe for the inexperienced shaman, a different weapon could be better, but with experience using Edward, the threat and survivability are unparalleled until p3. It takes good timing and more experience, but the results are there to be attained. Like other classes and high performance specs with nuance, you just gotta know what you’re doing and practice practice practice!

With fights lasting mere minutes, Edward "should" not be triggering that often. Perhaps in a more casual guild?
Around P3 fights start lasting longer, so that'd be your best bet. But the amount of agi or spell crit to have Flurry active enough to get consistent proc of Edward is insane. Also, you'd need to be in a luxurious position in order to forgo defensive buffs and go for offensive buffs (JuJu Flurry, chicken, etc...) There's the option of just getting Bloodlust but that might be too hardcore for most.
Unless, I am missing something, a fast PURE threat dagger with WF will always out-threat Edward's heal/damage. But you can always equip Edward if the priest is kind enough to throw a PI your way but again this is a luxurious position.

So I still have my elemental shaman, a troll. I've not played in a couple months because of RL stuff. But damn it if shaman tank has always interested me but I can't envision end-game tanking with my skinny ass troll.

Troll's are the ideal threat race for raids, don't be afraid of their fragile physique most top guild warrior tanks are trolls. If you don't plan on raid tanking you'll still be fine with Tauren.

I'm actually very surprised you don't mention Eskhandar's Right Claw as a weapon in gear list.
I suppose its proc has a very good synergy with RB, because extra TPS doesnt descale with Haste.
If I get this weapon, I'll try to measure its PPM and added TPS.

Esk is a luxury weapon, it assumes you don't need Timeworn (which is godly survival-wise). To get consistent procs of Esk you need a lot of agi/crit, which is gained later on in the game, at that point better weapons are available.

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Topic starter Posted : 22/12/2019 11:03 am
TheGreatShambino
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Hi so about Eskhandar’s, word on the street (warrior community) is that you cannot parry when using this weapon, which effectively ranks it at the very bottom of the totem pole for tanking! 🙁 60% reduced attack speed would be brokenly nice, though.

Edit: HOWEVER... this item will easily keep you in the top echelon of threat generators on fights with a Single tank/bosses immune to taunt, such as Onyxia, essentially making you wipe prevention during the enrage phase of a boss. If the tank dies, just swap it out for your tanking weapon, and you may very well buy your raid the extra 15 or 30 seconds needed to down the boss. Which is priceless, and has a place in all progression guilds.

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Posted : 26/12/2019 10:35 am
Caperfin
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Hi so about Eskhandar’s, word on the street (warrior community) is that you cannot parry when using this weapon, which effectively ranks it at the very bottom of the totem pole for tanking! 🙁 60% reduced attack speed would be brokenly nice, though.

I've heard something similar regarding parry on fist weapons.

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Topic starter Posted : 31/12/2019 2:36 pm
Pippina
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Hi so about Eskhandar’s, word on the street (warrior community) is that you cannot parry when using this weapon, which effectively ranks it at the very bottom of the totem pole for tanking! 🙁 60% reduced attack speed would be brokenly nice, though.

I've heard something similar regarding parry on fist weapons.

Interesting. According to this wowwiki patch notes history for parry, fist weapons were supposedly fixed to allow them to parry just like any other weapon back in patch 1.6:

https://vanilla-wow.fandom.com/wiki/Parry

If that patch history is accurate, then seems like eskhander's claw should be able to parry.

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Posted : 01/01/2020 2:12 am
Caperfin
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Interesting. According to this wowwiki patch notes history for parry, fist weapons were supposedly fixed to allow them to parry just like any other weapon back in patch 1.6:

that might be the case I'll ask around, I've never had a fist weapon, since I got Deathbringer first and most weapons generally outperform fist weapons.

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Topic starter Posted : 03/01/2020 3:30 am
Pippina
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that might be the case I'll ask around, I've never had a fist weapon, since I got Deathbringer first and most weapons generally outperform fist weapons.

Eshkander's claw just looks so cool though. So is the claw of the black Drake. Shame they don't keep up.

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Posted : 03/01/2020 6:17 pm
Caperfin
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Eshkander's claw just looks so cool though. So is the claw of the black Drake. Shame they don't keep up.

Esk is in a weird place.
Timeworn mace is so good for raids, you have to be in a very luxurious scenario to forgo it's defensive stats to opt for a threat weapon such as: Esk.
If you are in this prestige position you would also need a lot of agility to trigger flurry to trigger Esk and you'd be yet AGAIN sacrificing defensive stats for Esk's proc rate.

You eventually do reach a consistent proc rate of Esk around P3-P4'ish but at that point there are better threat weapons that also don't demand you to sacrifice defense.

I'd suggest Empyrean (esp if Troll) and Core Hound Tooth, which has stamina and still remains a threat weapon alongside a spell damage weapon like staff of dominance for Earth Shocks.

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Topic starter Posted : 04/01/2020 8:30 am
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Caperfin
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Here's my take on current phase 2.5 Pre-raid gear setup.
https://classic.wowhead.com/gear-planne ... FOPZExOk4x

Good take, I'd have a set similar like this in my bag if my group is showing bad signs, I'd maybe change the Demon Howl for Lordly and have Timeworn as wep.

P.S. how do you add enchants on wowhead gear planner?

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Topic starter Posted : 07/01/2020 9:21 am
Psojed
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When selecting item for a given slot, there's an enchant selection below the items window:

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Posted : 08/01/2020 12:28 am
Caperfin
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When selecting item for a given slot, there's an enchant selection below the items window

Thank you, I couldn't figure it out lol.

If you have any more shaman tank questions, feel free to let me know. There's also a whole shaman tank discord, if you're looking to get a second opinion, just tell me and I'll send you a link.

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Topic starter Posted : 11/01/2020 10:33 am
capitano666
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Mana Spring Totem: Optimally, put by a shaman with: Restorative Totems. The only totem capable of giving us threat.

Hello there, every other source I've read states that mana spring totem does not give any threat, am I missing anything here?

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Posted : 28/01/2020 4:53 am
Caperfin
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Hello there, every other source I've read states that mana spring totem does not give any threat, am I missing anything here?

Unless it got silently changed in the last few weeks. You can only get threat from your own Mana Spring Totem.

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Topic starter Posted : 29/01/2020 11:42 pm
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