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cjmiller1337
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What's the viability of a week 2 MC clear?

I could see hunters/druids/locks nolifing because fast leveling speeds week 1 but for warriors, priests, rogues, etc I'm not sure how viable it is.

Thoughts? I feel the gear requirement is less steep on 1.12 for an MC clear as long as you have 40 prepared people.

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Topic starter Posted : 08/03/2019 6:52 am
Nymis
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I believe <GRIZZLY> managed to pull a 12 day MC clear on Elysium. Definitely possible. I remember watching an interview with one of the former members and the key thing about it was that as soon as players got to 60 they stopped whatever they were doing and started helping others get to 60.

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Posted : 08/03/2019 7:13 am
Cletus
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I think the possibility that we see guild groups fully clearing MC at the 2 week mark is low. First, I think there are many things that are currently taken for granted when it comes to leveling and preparing a raid group for a world first type of push. However, I feel that a motivated (and highly caffeinated) guild could potentially make this happen. Here are a few thing just off the top of my head:
1. Best case scenario: Motivated guilds should not have too much of a problem getting people to level 60 within 45-60 hours /played. They will, in turn, have to grind the other raiders up to 60. I would put this at 3-4 day if people are going sleepless. Give people a day to recover and you are looking at 5 days to get 40 people where they can start farming gear and leveling professions. Granted, there will be passive gear and profession gains during leveling. If the support for a 40 main raid is set by day 7-8 that still gives almost a full week to clear MC.
2. Worst Case Scenario: Everyone is starting from ground zero. 0 gold, 0 economy, level 0 professions. Enchants, flasks, crafted ear are all going to take a chunk of time to get to a point where they support a 40+ person effort. Foregoing some of these support mechanisms while jumping into MC on limited gear-grind time could be extremely detrimental to the raid effort. Ounces make pounds and in the world of raid prep those extra points in intellect and stamina are going to be crucial at this point in the game. Additionally, there will be little to no resources to pull from in regards to auction house or from other people or guilds who are still far back in the leveling process.
Without gold no one can repair. If no one can repair then that's it for the raid. A week's worth of wipes will clean out what little gold raiders will have at this point. Since everyone up to this point will have been pouring resources into the raid effort it is unlikely that their gold stores will be able to sustain costly repair bills let alone purchasing a mount (or epic mount).
Lastly, when was the last time you saw a world-first guild running a 40-person raid? I'm not saying an MC run can't happen in the first 2 weeks but I feel it is highly unlikely. Let this be a challenge to potential guilds! Take this time to recruit 50-60 people to be ready to crash into classic MC to get that world first Rag kill before the 3rd week!

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Posted : 08/03/2019 10:48 pm
Anonymous
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I think the possibility that we see guild groups fully clearing MC at the 2 week mark is low. First, I think there are many things that are currently taken for granted when it comes to leveling and preparing a raid group for a world first type of push. However, I feel that a motivated (and highly caffeinated) guild could potentially make this happen. Here are a few thing just off the top of my head:
1. Best case scenario: Motivated guilds should not have too much of a problem getting people to level 60 within 45-60 hours /played. They will, in turn, have to grind the other raiders up to 60. I would put this at 3-4 day if people are going sleepless. Give people a day to recover and you are looking at 5 days to get 40 people where they can start farming gear and leveling professions. Granted, there will be passive gear and profession gains during leveling. If the support for a 40 main raid is set by day 7-8 that still gives almost a full week to clear MC.
2. Worst Case Scenario: Everyone is starting from ground zero. 0 gold, 0 economy, level 0 professions. Enchants, flasks, crafted ear are all going to take a chunk of time to get to a point where they support a 40+ person effort. Foregoing some of these support mechanisms while jumping into MC on limited gear-grind time could be extremely detrimental to the raid effort. Ounces make pounds and in the world of raid prep those extra points in intellect and stamina are going to be crucial at this point in the game. Additionally, there will be little to no resources to pull from in regards to auction house or from other people or guilds who are still far back in the leveling process.
Without gold no one can repair. If no one can repair then that's it for the raid. A week's worth of wipes will clean out what little gold raiders will have at this point. Since everyone up to this point will have been pouring resources into the raid effort it is unlikely that their gold stores will be able to sustain costly repair bills let alone purchasing a mount (or epic mount).
Lastly, when was the last time you saw a world-first guild running a 40-person raid? I'm not saying an MC run can't happen in the first 2 weeks but I feel it is highly unlikely. Let this be a challenge to potential guilds! Take this time to recruit 50-60 people to be ready to crash into classic MC to get that world first Rag kill before the 3rd week!

here's an unpopular opinion:
lets not forget that all the top raiding guilds attempting this will also have to deal with getting each other right-click autobanned just to stay ahead of the others...same as with server first lvl 60 rush, farming spots, etc.

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Posted : 09/03/2019 2:40 am
Dolamite
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A 2 week clear on MC is (somewhat) possible. This feat of strength is entirely dependant on how the "world first race" is going at the time of release. If it is the low season, I could see the ultra-hard-core group jumping in on this.

Otherwise, the standard hard-core group is going to shine here and I believe that a 2-week kill is unlikely. Leveling is much more lethargic and unscripted. Gearing is much more challenging and slower than we are all used to.

A 3 week clear is definitely realistic, but its because we're "re-doing" encounters that we were familiar with a decade (plus) ago. Someone's got a dusty powerpoint or 240p video to bring to the fight. Versus the initial pulls, we all did with "do we de-curse that on everyone or just a couple key people"

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Posted : 10/03/2019 12:24 am
Linguine
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I don't know how hardcore the guilds on Lightshope/Northdale/Elysium are, but for Kronos there were two very hardcore guilds and I expect that at least one of them will be able to pull together its members long enough again to do this on classic's release.

The alliance one dictated what race you were allowed to play for each class except Paladin, and I know the Horde one was likely doing the same if your class could be a troll.

The guilds were so focused on getting server first for MC that at least one of them wasn't even looting the bosses as it killed them.

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Posted : 11/03/2019 10:59 am
William
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It'll be cool to see if people manage it.

I have no interest in going that hardcore, and I don't have the life to even sustain an attempt.

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Posted : 11/03/2019 11:17 am
Cletus
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It'll be cool to see if people manage it.

I have no interest in going that hardcore, and I don't have the life to even sustain an attempt.

Ya man, it's one thing to be a server first 60 and quite another to go server first in a raid. Getting 40 people to be on par for both will be an incredible feat inside the 3 week mark and exhausting inside a month. Good luck to those who make the attempt and may god have mercy on their souls and sanity.

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Posted : 11/03/2019 12:54 pm
Driath
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While I have heard of these things on private servers, I do have my doubts for wow classic. Hitting 60 5 days after release should be considered extremely hardcore to be honest. The fastest time in vanilla was like 4 days 20 hours played? Adding in sleep etc..maybe a few people playing select classes can handle it per server. But 40 people? They can't all grind the same spots, and 40 hunters in greenies won't be doing any MC. Add to that that Ragnaros isn't just sitting there waiting..
You need to do the quests for the water to douse the runes to even get him to spawn, and that requires you to be honored with waterlords before you even kill Lucifron! That's a shitload of trash farming and resetting unless you can somehow kill bosses already in the first week, not to mention doing UBRS, also a place you can't just walk in with 10 hunters. Honestly, except for the very most hardcore of the hardcore there's no way I see this happening.
I really do wonder how so many people so confidently claim it can be done. Are private servers really that much easier?

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Posted : 26/04/2019 6:35 am
Anonymous
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I plan to clear MC in the 2nd week after release as half guild run.
We still need people btw 😉
The fastest MC that I know was after 9 days on Northdale Horde.

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Posted : 26/04/2019 6:53 am
IronBrutzler
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The Top Guilds will do it, the bet is on it 😉

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Posted : 26/04/2019 7:44 am
Driath
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I'm genuinly curious here, how on earth would you do it that fast in classic? Are people account-sharing or something? Chainfarming instances? How'd you get 20 people to lvl 60 and ready to enter mc in a week? And provided you could do that, where'd you get 20 pugs?

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Posted : 26/04/2019 7:44 am
Relik
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I'll be lucky if I've done a full Deadmines run by the end of week 2!

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Posted : 26/04/2019 8:07 am
Sams
 Sams
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ITT: People talking about pserver times, when all the pservers had dynamic loot/respawns for leveling. This speeds the process up A LOT!

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Posted : 26/04/2019 12:18 pm
Black Monarch
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MC shouldn't even be unlocked until 2 months after launch. Let people stop and smell the god damn roses without being punished for it by falling behind in the raiding rat race.

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Posted : 26/04/2019 12:25 pm
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