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Black Monarch
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I'm normally loathe to fuck with any of the in-game data or content. I also insist that Naxx 40 be the end-raid, and that players should not have access to any gear better than what dropped from Naxx. However, Blizzard has acknowledged that Naxx 40 was overtuned, and Kara was always supposed to be part of classic before it was abandoned and retuned for ten level 70 players. This suggests the possibility of restoring Kara back to level 60 and offering it as a "catch-up" raid, dropping better gear than AQ40 but being less difficult than Naxx. What do you think?

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Topic starter Posted : 07/05/2019 11:35 am
teebling
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Teeb's handy flowchart:

Was it in 1.12?

Yes --> it should be in Classic.
No --> it should not be in Classic.

That's all I have to say really - in my opinion, no.

Interesting that you say Kara was intended for Vanilla and not BC though - where does it say this?

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Posted : 07/05/2019 11:37 am
aeh
 aeh
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What the hell...whats this idea?!

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Posted : 07/05/2019 11:42 am
Skuggfax
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*WARNING* Unpopular opinion *WARNING*

I would not be opposed to it, after a very long time of Naxx (maybe 6 months?) I would love to see additional content added to classic. Call me crazy but I don't want TBC, I would like to have the OSRS approach and continue on classic vanilla wow. I realize this is unlikely given how many people cherish TBC. This is just my opinion.

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Posted : 07/05/2019 11:45 am
Skuggfax
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Interesting that you say Kara was intended for Vanilla and not BC though - where does it say this?

You can read about it in the WoW Diary by John Staats. There was a bunch of other content intended for Classic that they could not fit in but Kara was actually one of the first raids they worked on.

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Posted : 07/05/2019 11:47 am
Black Monarch
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Oh, I forgot to mention...

Ateish, which is obtainable from Naxx, teleports you to Kara. This only makes sense if Kara is supposed to be a place where you'd actually want to go because it has things for you to do.

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Topic starter Posted : 07/05/2019 11:53 am
couchatron
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I'm okay with Kara being added waaaaaaaaaaay down the line as new content. But the game itself needs to have multiple guilds farming Naxx until their eyes bleed.

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Posted : 07/05/2019 12:03 pm
Jon Bloodspray
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I can understand the interest in this, but I didn't get to play a whole lot of Vanilla when it was current. I really want to experience it as close as possible to the original as they can make it. After Classic, if they want to spin it off in an entirely different direction I think I'd be cool with that.

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Posted : 07/05/2019 12:15 pm
Wormfood
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I'm fine with them adding some extra content, but Naxx should always be where the top-end gear is found. Adding onto the vertical progression would eventually kill the game for new players imo. I don't really like the idea of catch-up raids either because that invalidates the older content for new players, which is one of my major problems with post-vanilla WoW.

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Posted : 07/05/2019 12:37 pm
Anonymous
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The whole point of vanilla is that its more hc. Dumbing down and adding catchup, we might aswell add whole bfa expansion to Classic and call it Classic.

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Posted : 09/05/2019 12:27 am
sashimii
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I love Karazhan and would love to see it in Classic. The soundtrack <3

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Posted : 09/05/2019 10:44 am
Samaraner
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If there ever is a Classic+ Kara would be at the top on my list of things that should be added.

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Posted : 09/05/2019 11:50 am
Black Monarch
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I'm surprised to see so much support for "maybe".

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Topic starter Posted : 09/05/2019 7:13 pm
MeatLumps
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I chose the 'No, but it's fun to think about option' mainly because I don't want any major changes like this in the game. Maybe a few years down the road I'll be a bit more receptive to the idea.

Right now though, please just transport me back to 2005-2006 as if nothing happened after it. Thank you.

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Posted : 09/05/2019 7:55 pm
Jon Bloodspray
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I think it's important to discuss stuff like this if we ever want Classic to be more than a temporary foray into nostalgia land. Do we really want Classic to be a 2-3 year flash in the pan, and then we all go back to complaining about retail? Yes, I want it to start and end as close to Vanilla as possible. But I also wouldn't be adverse to them expanding on that and giving us additional content that is more in line with what we wanted to begin with, rather than the watered down experience many of us feel we received. Maybe instead of thinking about a relaunched BC server, the writers, creative team, and whatever scrappy group of developers they have working on this thing could say "Ok, we already covered the story in one way when we made BC the first time. This time, what if we did it like this?" The same characters could have different stories and conclusions. Maybe Cairne would roflstomp Garrosh this time(as he would have if it weren't for Magratha)? Maybe Thrall stops trying to be shaman orc jesus and never abdicates the position of Warchief to begin with? What if there's a schism in the factions and we end up with 3 sides to the conflict? There were a lot of ways things could have gone differently, and at a certain point I'd be ok with exploring some of them.

Some of this is wishful thinking, and some of it is hoping Classic isn't just a one-off.

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Posted : 10/05/2019 4:23 pm
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