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Torstein
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Greetings!

I'm excited to see so many players willing to play classic. I however didn't had the pleasure to play vanilla since I started playing wow during Deaenor. Having a wooden PC at the time, I fell im love playing holy paladin and I stuck with it till BfA.
Therefore, I would love to play wow classic as holy pally from scratch (and yes, I want to lvl as holy as well).

What tips can you fellas give me (talents and etc)?

Kind regards,
Torstein

Skål!

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Topic starter Posted : 02/06/2019 8:38 am
Kchlangendin
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Hey, Holly pal is a great idea to go with. You will likely feal yourself like a real helpmate all the time til 60 an even after throwing ur buffs and heals around yourself. Also you will be getting spots in dungeons and raids very quick and easy. I donk think you will find some lvling spec as holy just pick whatever you like in holy and go with it, you can even learn every single tal in holy tree and u will ok with that. One moment is that typically it doesn't worth it, you can still do a great heal as ret and to ease your leveing journey as solo. Considering the fact you didn't play classic before i would recommend to go with ret and attent dungeons as heal. You can also grap some lvling gear if your group is okay with that.

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Posted : 02/06/2019 10:14 am
aeh
 aeh
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If you wanna play Holy from 1-60 I recommend a friend who is playing with you. Holy isnt that fast to 60 tbh.
Will probably took like 216hours 1-60. (~9days, if I would do this :D)

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Posted : 03/06/2019 12:03 am
Caperfin
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Go ahead, Holy produces the most dps for paladins. Let me know, if you need any help.

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Posted : 05/06/2019 2:33 pm
Falcon
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I'll also be leveling as Holy! I've been theory-crafting a little with the talent trees and right now I'm thinking something like 31-8-12. I want to be mostly healing in groups, but also able to deal burst dps in between heals and other downtime. Since I won't be using SoC for damage I've been trying to find info on a faster 2-hand with SoR/SotC. That's why my points go down to Holy Shock, Precision, and improved judgement/SotC. I won't be alone either as my wife will be maining a Lock.

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Posted : 13/06/2019 12:34 pm
Frosted
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I won't be alone either as my wife will be maining a Lock.

Fantastic duo combination. That warlock will be lifetapping until the cows come home, and you both move at the same speeds.

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Posted : 13/06/2019 12:39 pm
beached
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Well you will get dungeons SUPER easy, so if you like doing lots of dungeons, really good route to go. Also if you like grouping with peeps for questing, you should get parties real easy as everyone loves pocket heals.

Since your leveling holy and you clearly are after the play style and not min.maxing dps for leveling, I would say probably stack +spelldmg and +spellcrit as much as you can. Outside of your autoattack, most of everything you deal will be in the form of holy dmg.

I think autoattack will still represent >50% of your damage, so make sure you keep your weapon up to date. Shouldnt be too hard with all the dungeon groups you get though.

Key talents for damage (Outside of auto attack) will likely be Consecration, Holy Shock, Holy Power. I would still recommend going for crusader in ret tree.

If I were to do it, Id probably try something like: https://classicdb.ch/?talent#sExu0xotZxf0tbb
If your on a pvp server, you could move some talents around to get some pvp focused stuff.

When you can, make sure you level in areas with undead, should spice it up and improve your xp/h.

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Posted : 13/06/2019 1:27 pm
beached
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I've been trying to find info on a faster 2-hand with SoR/SotC.

My understanding is that SoR is normalized, so dps from weapon speed will not change?

This seems like a shoe in weapon for pally, although it is slower
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=20504/lightforged-blade

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Posted : 13/06/2019 1:39 pm
Falcon
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My understanding is that SoR is normalized, so dps from weapon speed will not change?

For SoR, the speed changes it's damage. Slower weapons cause more holy damage per swing, faster weapons cause less. At rank 8 it's 20.5-71.4 based on speed.

But, SoR is garunteed every hit, where as Ret Paladins with SoC have like a 70% chance per hit, but it's a lot more damage and requires the slowest weapon possible.

It's been so long since Vanilla and I'm still relearning all this myself, lol 😛

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Posted : 14/06/2019 10:14 am
Sauva
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Hello there,

I also plan to level in Holy spec and i was thinking about something like that : https://bobo-talents.aerobaticapp.com/?class=paladin&talents=HBHCHDHEHFHcHdHeHgHfIUGJGKGLGMGNG8G9G_G1G2HnHtHuHvHpHqHhHiHjHkHlHwHxHmGYGZG0GTHZH0H1GUGVIaGWGXHLpmpnpo .
What do you guys think about it, I like the idea of getting +block and blessing of sanctuary while not losing much of what I need to heal five mans. Really not sure of the impact of improved SoR tho, would love to get somme feedbacks on that talent.

Have a great day !

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Posted : 28/06/2019 6:03 am
Psojed
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Hi Sauva,
You can heal 5-mans just by having intellect on gear and enough water. I always levelled as Ret, and I healed both early and later dungeons even with no points in the holy tree.

If you're going for a split between holy and prot, I would go for Divine Favor first. It's a free critheal, which will allow you to drink less between fights, and it will also give you the important oh-sh!t heal capability.

By going for BoSanctuary, you should think about becoming a tank-on-demand too. I also tanked as Ret without any prot talents, just using Righteous Fury and Consecration is enough. You can tank stuff in dungeons like BRD with no gear at all, but since you're not going for Ret, speccing some into being more tanky makes your healer's life easier. Instead, take Imp.Righteous Fury and +Defense:
https://bobo-talents.aerobaticapp.com/?class=paladin&talents=HBHCHDHEHFHcHdHeHgHfIUHtHuHvHrHhHiHjHkHlHmGJGKGLGMGNG8G9G_G1G2HnGrGsGtGuGvHVHWHXGTIa
Being able to tank OR heal makes it even easier for getting into a party Smile

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Posted : 28/06/2019 6:29 am
Sauva
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Thank you very much for your reply Smile !

I am aware that Ret is simply fine for everything while leveling but the Ret tree is not appealing to me for some reason.
So you would pass on improved blessing of wisdom ? It seemed like a thing to get to me (same for shield spec ?).

Thank you once more.

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Posted : 28/06/2019 6:43 am
Falcon
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Sauva I can't use the link you sent (work comp lol) but this one works for me: https://classicdb.ch/?talent#sVxubgkxVMt0ru

I believe this is what a Holy Paladin specs when they want to be 100% healer devoted to the tank. It's common for Holy Paladins to get Sanctuary if they're the MT healer.

If you want to be flexible from heals/tank I'd go with something like: https://classicdb.ch/?talent#sVxuoxoZVGzIczZV

There's 4 points left to play with too.

Just some ideas. Hope it helps!

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Posted : 28/06/2019 8:20 am
Psojed
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Sauva Ha, got ya! You see, my talent link only goes up to level 51 Smile You have free 9 points, so you can take the 2/2 improved Wisdom, 1 more point into improved lay on hands, 1 leftover point into Lasting Judgement and 5 points into Holy Power, and you're basically using the healer with BoS talent build (with prot talents spent differently, but that doesn't really matter).

Not using wisdom is an option too. You'll miss it when you're solo healer in a dungeon, but you're most likely going to buff BoSanctuary in a raid instead of BoWisdom and every other heal pally will have improved Wisdom. But you should consult your pally class leader just to have an OK from him.

IMO the Shield Spec isn't too great. My reasoning:
For those three talent points you gain a bonus between 9-14 points of blocked damage, depending on your STR and your Shield's block value. So it's basically the same as a rank 1 or rank 2 Blessing of Sanctuary in terms of damage reduction. But you don't have Holy Shield and your Block chance is going to be around 5-10% (without Redoubt). So it's a BoSanctuary-like talent which doesn't deal any damage back, only works on melee hits to you, only about 10% of the time, and it costs you three times the talent points than the actual BoSanctuary costs? Meh. Basically any other talent is better than that, even the Armor.

Now if you were going to be a dedicated Protadin with Holy Shield and/or you're going to be aoe farming a lot, that's a different story... Smile
PS: Falcon Healer dedicated to his tank would be using Improved Devotion aura for all the times when you don't need a resistance aura to improve his armor 😛

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Posted : 28/06/2019 8:50 am
Falcon
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Healer dedicated to his tank would be using Improved Devotion aura for all the times when you don't need a resistance aura to improve his armor

Ah yes! Good call! Smile

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Posted : 28/06/2019 9:56 am
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