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pan0phobik
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So apparently Raider.io has manifested itself in beta as dungeon.io

This is really disappointing. Anyone have any more educated thoughts on this possibly? I think it brings a horrible aspect of gamer culture to vanilla that didn't exist back then with people peening over scores and finding more reasons to exclude others.

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Topic starter Posted : 20/05/2019 1:52 pm
aeh
 aeh
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Second site dont work, what the sites about? I dont get it, kek.

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Posted : 20/05/2019 2:00 pm
pan0phobik
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Second site dont work, what the sites about? I dont get it, kek.

Sorry I shouldn't have pretended everyone knows what it is. Raider.io was a site that functioned with an addon to track your dungeon history. What dungeons you've done, if you beat the timer or not, if you cleared it or not, etc. and this resulted in a score that dictated whether people using the addon wanted you in their group or not. It's like evaluating people based on gear score but worse.

I really hope this doesn't make it to live. It really skewers a lot of community from the game imo.

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Topic starter Posted : 20/05/2019 2:03 pm
aeh
 aeh
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tbh. veterans wont care about this shit ^^

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Posted : 20/05/2019 2:06 pm
IronBrutzler
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i do not think that people will really care about this. I mean in BFA it is important that people know the dungeons for M+ because it is times but in classic there are a few dungeons that takes under an hour for a casual or pug group so it really does not matter that much.

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Posted : 20/05/2019 2:13 pm
Bobi
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I don't think they should allow API to make raider.io possible and what would it really track?

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Posted : 20/05/2019 2:14 pm
pan0phobik
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tbh. veterans wont care about this shit ^^

i do not think that people will really care about this. I mean in BFA it is important that people know the dungeons for M+ because it is times but in classic there are a few dungeons that takes under an hour for a casual or pug group so it really does not matter that much.

I'm hoping you guys are right in saying that veterans won't care about this shit.

The problem is streamer culture is ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL about this e-peen bullshit and I worry that might make it commonplace somehow.

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Topic starter Posted : 20/05/2019 2:18 pm
teebling
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tbh. veterans wont care about this shit ^^

Yeah, this.

If someone demanded I install an addon, register to a website and then report my statistics to him in order to join his Dire Maul group I'd just tell him to get bent.

It should go like this:

Party leader: Looking for one more for Dire Maul
Dude: Yes, pick me! I like to stab things!
Party leader: Well, we like stabbing things too, awesome! You're in!

And then the inevitable mistakes, learning, comradeship and fun are what follows.

Asking people to present their statistics is not a good way to start a group and already puts a negative feeling on the whole endeavour.

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Posted : 20/05/2019 2:23 pm
pan0phobik
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tbh. veterans wont care about this shit ^^

Yeah, this.

If someone demanded I install an addon, register to a website and then report my statistics to him in order to join his Dire Maul group I'd just tell him to get bent.

It should go like this:

Party leader: Looking for one more for Dire Maul
Dude: Yes, pick me! I like to stab things!
Party leader: Well, we like stabbing things too, awesome! You're in!

And then the inevitable mistakes, learning, comradeship and fun are what follows.

Asking people to present their statistics is not a good way to start a group and already puts a negative feeling on the whole endeavour.

I'm glad to hear that at least this community us unanimously against it.

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Topic starter Posted : 20/05/2019 2:30 pm
Bulldozer
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I sure hope it either doesnt get used much by the community or blizzard breaks it somehow. Its a decent metric for pugging high keys if you are playing on a high level. But it has a negative effect on the lower end imo.
That said I wonder if it would be better if there wasn’t an armory like for retail. So people couldn’t go “checking armory” when forming groups.
Of course they could still inspect eachother ingame, but that suddenly makes it much more personal wich I would prefer.
I do have faith that classic wow will sidestep most of these problems as the way the game plays and how server populations are more intimate will encourage people to form bonds and group with friends, or take a chance and be more patient with “noobier” randoms ( that have the potential to become friends ) skill or gear be damned, because thanks to a lack of automated grouping tools, the alternative would be potentially spending more time looking for another group member that meets your standards. Potentially wasting more time than showing the new guy the ropes to help smoothen the run.

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Posted : 20/05/2019 4:30 pm
Selexin
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Gearscore is fucking toxic, this better not become a thing in classic.

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Posted : 20/05/2019 4:50 pm
TeamRemix
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As other have already said, I hope they break the API so that addons like .io don't work and that there won't be an armory.

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Posted : 20/05/2019 6:50 pm
IronBrutzler
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The thing with Gearscore or Raid.io is that those addons are developed because the game changed from:
"2 hour Dungeons runs with enough time to explain everything and drink mana after each encounter"(vanilla)
to
"If you do not have x Gearscore(ilvl) for this boss we will not make it because it is a total Gearcheck"(WotLK)
to
"OMFG you missclicked your stun now the M+35 will never happen because we have a time buffer of 5 Seconds".(legion)

I can understand why those addons are so popular because most people do not have a good guild or the right one and have to pug everything.

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Posted : 20/05/2019 10:56 pm
Slocain
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I do wonder what people want to prove when using this addon, since Classic is not a version of WoW that even comes close to cater to this behavior. There are no heroic versions of a dungeon or raid and clearing a dungeon in a faster time also won't give any better rewards. I will certainly avoid grouping up with people boasting about their wondrous feats with this addon.

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Posted : 20/05/2019 11:16 pm
Samaraner
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There are time runs tbf.

That being said, these kind of addons wouldnt work in Classic because your pool of players is too small most of the time. You cant be a chooser when forming a group allready takes a considerable amount of time. Also knowing people is a real option.

In Classic you would need some kind of rating addon based on player feedback. Like "rate your tank" stuff. Problem with that is how easily it could be abused and how useless the data is unless a large portion is using it. So wont happen either.

In my opinion the real interesting topic is whether we may see certain ratings/addons being adopted by individual realms but rejected by others.

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Posted : 20/05/2019 11:32 pm
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